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		<title>By: Eoin</title>
		<link>http://www.malcolmcoles.co.uk/blog/childcare-voucher-companies/#comment-29706</link>
		<dc:creator>Eoin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Oct 2011 16:00:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe that Childcare Voucher Solutions may have differing prices determined by company size, as they were so reasonable to me, and because larger companies surely have larger administrative costs, I imagine that small companies probably find their rates more reasonable, but large companies save more money overall.  You&#039;d have to ask them to be sure, but that would seem logical to me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe that Childcare Voucher Solutions may have differing prices determined by company size, as they were so reasonable to me, and because larger companies surely have larger administrative costs, I imagine that small companies probably find their rates more reasonable, but large companies save more money overall.  You'd have to ask them to be sure, but that would seem logical to me.</p>
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		<title>By: Percy Millbanks</title>
		<link>http://www.malcolmcoles.co.uk/blog/childcare-voucher-companies/#comment-29705</link>
		<dc:creator>Percy Millbanks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Oct 2011 15:50:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eoin,

Fair point, just to assure you I did check the figures I quoted in my own comment are currently valid.

Most of the companies have actually brought their costs down recently, if only a little, or have diversified their offering because of the increasing demand for all-singing all-dancing reward platforms.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eoin,</p>
<p>Fair point, just to assure you I did check the figures I quoted in my own comment are currently valid.</p>
<p>Most of the companies have actually brought their costs down recently, if only a little, or have diversified their offering because of the increasing demand for all-singing all-dancing reward platforms.</p>
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		<title>By: Eoin</title>
		<link>http://www.malcolmcoles.co.uk/blog/childcare-voucher-companies/#comment-29703</link>
		<dc:creator>Eoin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Oct 2011 11:20:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agreed Percy, it is also important to note that the above rates are from a few years ago, and things will have changed.  

In particular the scheme has changed, and we have also entered a recession, so rates will have changed and providers will have changed.

Having worked with Childcare Voucher Solutions and being a small company I actually found that they were quite willing to work with smaller companies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agreed Percy, it is also important to note that the above rates are from a few years ago, and things will have changed.  </p>
<p>In particular the scheme has changed, and we have also entered a recession, so rates will have changed and providers will have changed.</p>
<p>Having worked with Childcare Voucher Solutions and being a small company I actually found that they were quite willing to work with smaller companies.</p>
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		<title>By: Percy Millbanks</title>
		<link>http://www.malcolmcoles.co.uk/blog/childcare-voucher-companies/#comment-29702</link>
		<dc:creator>Percy Millbanks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Oct 2011 08:36:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Susan,

To me, it sounds more like yet another classic case of ComputerShare charging smaller businesses a higher rate than larger businesses, making it less economical for the smaller employer to run a scheme.

I can&#039;t understand why any business would sign up for a salary sacrifice scheme where they are losing money by paying out more in admin than they save - not when it&#039;s widely publicised that a company is supposed to save money with a voucher scheme.

I suspect your employers are paying a heavy premium for the scheme, and can do without the excessive admin legwork foisted upon them by the aforementioned voucher sharks* so whilst I can&#039;t imagine even ComputerShare would be audacious enough to charge more than the NI saving (13.8%), your employers are probably worried about the man-hours being wasted on running the scheme, combined with the &quot;through-the-nose&quot; pricing, making them completely fed up with it.

And who wouldn&#039;t be? *ComputerShare, despite charging the most that any provider have ever been known to, actually make the employer do a lot of the administration related to running a scheme. Think of it as running a scheme in-house but still paying over-the-odds for a little rubbish assistance.

If the employer had opted for a scheme from KiddiVouchers for example, or Fideliti, or one of the other decent ones, they would only have had to pay a monthly invoice, and other than that, relax! KiddiVouchers, who I have worked with, charge 2.5% across the board, whether your company has 1 or 20,000 employees.

Under these circumstances, an employee ordering the full £243 per month would save the company £402 per year. This equates to about £87 per year in admin fees, which is less than half what a voucher account costs, and less than half of what P&amp;MM charge per year (to give just one example).

Perhaps you should ask your employer to look at the market before giving up on a scheme altogether. Not all providers are totally rubbish!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Susan,</p>
<p>To me, it sounds more like yet another classic case of ComputerShare charging smaller businesses a higher rate than larger businesses, making it less economical for the smaller employer to run a scheme.</p>
<p>I can't understand why any business would sign up for a salary sacrifice scheme where they are losing money by paying out more in admin than they save - not when it's widely publicised that a company is supposed to save money with a voucher scheme.</p>
<p>I suspect your employers are paying a heavy premium for the scheme, and can do without the excessive admin legwork foisted upon them by the aforementioned voucher sharks* so whilst I can't imagine even ComputerShare would be audacious enough to charge more than the NI saving (13.8%), your employers are probably worried about the man-hours being wasted on running the scheme, combined with the "through-the-nose" pricing, making them completely fed up with it.</p>
<p>And who wouldn't be? *ComputerShare, despite charging the most that any provider have ever been known to, actually make the employer do a lot of the administration related to running a scheme. Think of it as running a scheme in-house but still paying over-the-odds for a little rubbish assistance.</p>
<p>If the employer had opted for a scheme from KiddiVouchers for example, or Fideliti, or one of the other decent ones, they would only have had to pay a monthly invoice, and other than that, relax! KiddiVouchers, who I have worked with, charge 2.5% across the board, whether your company has 1 or 20,000 employees.</p>
<p>Under these circumstances, an employee ordering the full £243 per month would save the company £402 per year. This equates to about £87 per year in admin fees, which is less than half what a voucher account costs, and less than half of what P&amp;MM charge per year (to give just one example).</p>
<p>Perhaps you should ask your employer to look at the market before giving up on a scheme altogether. Not all providers are totally rubbish!</p>
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		<title>By: Ross</title>
		<link>http://www.malcolmcoles.co.uk/blog/childcare-voucher-companies/#comment-29698</link>
		<dc:creator>Ross</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Oct 2011 13:50:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Melanie

I developed the scheme with my previous employers who were bought out 2 years ago. They no longer provide the scheme, as the purchasers already had a voucher scheme.

I no longer promote the scheme myself, as companies were having difficulty understanding how it worked.

If you wish I would be happy to email you some information and you can decide if it would be suitable for your requirements.

ross.dunlop@yahoo.co.uk</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Melanie</p>
<p>I developed the scheme with my previous employers who were bought out 2 years ago. They no longer provide the scheme, as the purchasers already had a voucher scheme.</p>
<p>I no longer promote the scheme myself, as companies were having difficulty understanding how it worked.</p>
<p>If you wish I would be happy to email you some information and you can decide if it would be suitable for your requirements.</p>
<p><a href="mailto:ross.dunlop@yahoo.co.uk">ross.dunlop@yahoo.co.uk</a></p>
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		<title>By: Ross</title>
		<link>http://www.malcolmcoles.co.uk/blog/childcare-voucher-companies/#comment-29694</link>
		<dc:creator>Ross</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Oct 2011 11:05:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>An employer who introduces a scheme will save secondary National Insurance contributions on the amount of value you sacrifice. In this case you sacrifice £243 per month for 12 months each year.

Therefore an employer on average saves 10% of this amount which is approx £300.00 They are likely to be charged 5% of the voucher face value. Approx £150 to £160 per year. With internal costs they may consider it to be in excess of £300 per year.

So in reality they are probably loosing money.

Hope this helps.

Ross.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An employer who introduces a scheme will save secondary National Insurance contributions on the amount of value you sacrifice. In this case you sacrifice £243 per month for 12 months each year.</p>
<p>Therefore an employer on average saves 10% of this amount which is approx £300.00 They are likely to be charged 5% of the voucher face value. Approx £150 to £160 per year. With internal costs they may consider it to be in excess of £300 per year.</p>
<p>So in reality they are probably loosing money.</p>
<p>Hope this helps.</p>
<p>Ross.</p>
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		<title>By: Susan</title>
		<link>http://www.malcolmcoles.co.uk/blog/childcare-voucher-companies/#comment-29687</link>
		<dc:creator>Susan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Oct 2011 20:39:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My employer has recently signed up for computer share voucher services and I am the only one in the scheme, taking the full amount of tax free vouchers so £243 a month.  They have advised me that as I am the only person in the scheme the admin charges are higher than the NI savings so they are making a loss, is this accurate?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My employer has recently signed up for computer share voucher services and I am the only one in the scheme, taking the full amount of tax free vouchers so £243 a month.  They have advised me that as I am the only person in the scheme the admin charges are higher than the NI savings so they are making a loss, is this accurate?</p>
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		<title>By: Melanie Hunt</title>
		<link>http://www.malcolmcoles.co.uk/blog/childcare-voucher-companies/#comment-29325</link>
		<dc:creator>Melanie Hunt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Sep 2011 08:23:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was interested in your comment about the Employer Direct Payment Scheme - you said that the scheme costs £299 with us - but then never went on to tell us who that was - could you direct me to somewhere so I can find out more information about your scheme.

Thanks</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was interested in your comment about the Employer Direct Payment Scheme - you said that the scheme costs £299 with us - but then never went on to tell us who that was - could you direct me to somewhere so I can find out more information about your scheme.</p>
<p>Thanks</p>
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		<title>By: Tony Clegg</title>
		<link>http://www.malcolmcoles.co.uk/blog/childcare-voucher-companies/#comment-29282</link>
		<dc:creator>Tony Clegg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Sep 2011 18:53:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>what are there rates? Anyone? Would be grateful- have heard they are exeptionally good, well have good customer service.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>what are there rates? Anyone? Would be grateful- have heard they are exeptionally good, well have good customer service.</p>
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		<title>By: Percy Millbanks</title>
		<link>http://www.malcolmcoles.co.uk/blog/childcare-voucher-companies/#comment-28878</link>
		<dc:creator>Percy Millbanks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jun 2011 09:19:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eoin, I&#039;ve just checked. KiddiVouchers do not claim 100% client retention.

I agree it&#039;s unlikely that any really do by now.

By the way I didn&#039;t mean Fideliti&#039;s actual logo: my comment that their branding looks like TESCO&#039;s was because their website, with its blue and white colouring and hot pink circles, make you feel like you&#039;re visiting a site that has something to do with TESCO, as this (by now over-mentioned) supermarket use very similar red &#039;price&#039; dots with their blue and white theme.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eoin, I've just checked. KiddiVouchers do not claim 100% client retention.</p>
<p>I agree it's unlikely that any really do by now.</p>
<p>By the way I didn't mean Fideliti's actual logo: my comment that their branding looks like TESCO's was because their website, with its blue and white colouring and hot pink circles, make you feel like you're visiting a site that has something to do with TESCO, as this (by now over-mentioned) supermarket use very similar red 'price' dots with their blue and white theme.</p>
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