Comments on: Advanced comment systems are bad for SEO: IntenseDebate, Sezwho and Disqus http://www.malcolmcoles.co.uk/blog/seo-intensedebate-sezwho-and-disqus/ Where to find Malcolm Coles, reviews, and tips on how to do things I couldn't do. Fri, 03 Feb 2012 20:15:12 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.4 By: Malcolm Coles http://www.malcolmcoles.co.uk/blog/seo-intensedebate-sezwho-and-disqus/#comment-1207 Malcolm Coles Sat, 21 Feb 2009 14:04:59 +0000 http://www.malcolmcoles.co.uk/blog/?p=136#comment-1207 Sorry for the delay in replying. ID may well help your users. And they seem to have nearly fixed their SEO issues: http://www.malcolmcoles.co.uk/blog/intensedebate-seo-comment-count/ Sorry for the delay in replying. ID may well help your users. And they seem to have nearly fixed their SEO issues: http://www.malcolmcoles.co.uk/blog/intensedebate-seo-comment-count/

]]> By: Malcolm Coles http://www.malcolmcoles.co.uk/blog/seo-intensedebate-sezwho-and-disqus/#comment-1206 Malcolm Coles Sat, 21 Feb 2009 14:03:36 +0000 http://www.malcolmcoles.co.uk/blog/?p=136#comment-1206 Well, you probably need to do some more training/research. Spamming my blog with a link to instructionsoncraps.com using "instructions on craps" as a keyword on a completely irrelevant page wouldn't help even if I hadn't deleted the URL. Try concentrating on getting links from relevant pages ... Well, you probably need to do some more training/research. Spamming my blog with a link to instructionsoncraps.com using "instructions on craps" as a keyword on a completely irrelevant page wouldn't help even if I hadn't deleted the URL. Try concentrating on getting links from relevant pages ...

]]> By: instructions on craps http://www.malcolmcoles.co.uk/blog/seo-intensedebate-sezwho-and-disqus/#comment-1195 instructions on craps Fri, 20 Feb 2009 07:33:58 +0000 http://www.malcolmcoles.co.uk/blog/?p=136#comment-1195 hi, actually i want to become a search engine optimizer(Seo). One of my friend is working as a team leader in a leading seo firm and he says that one of the most important thing about this field is that it offers exceptional growth and a promising career. Is my decision to join this arena would going to benefit me ? hi, actually i want to become a search engine optimizer(Seo). One of my friend is working as a team leader in a leading seo firm
and he says that one of the most important thing about this field is that it offers exceptional growth and a promising career.
Is my decision to join this arena would going to benefit me ?

]]> By: Popac http://www.malcolmcoles.co.uk/blog/seo-intensedebate-sezwho-and-disqus/#comment-1066 Popac Thu, 29 Jan 2009 09:19:31 +0000 http://www.malcolmcoles.co.uk/blog/?p=136#comment-1066 First of all, nice post and comments i read here. Second, I want to know what you mean about IntenseDebate and SEO...Google 4 example. Do I will have any benefits from installing this plug-in in my Wordpress blog or not ? Not want to have situation that visitors write comments on my website and this work simple go to other website (SEO points). IntenseDebate is good SEO for my web or not ? First of all, nice post and comments i read here.
Second, I want to know what you mean about IntenseDebate and SEO...Google 4 example.

Do I will have any benefits from installing this plug-in in my WordPress blog or not ?

Not want to have situation that visitors write comments on my website and this work simple go to other website (SEO points).

IntenseDebate is good SEO for my web or not ?

]]> By: Alex Popescu http://www.malcolmcoles.co.uk/blog/seo-intensedebate-sezwho-and-disqus/#comment-1013 Alex Popescu Sun, 11 Jan 2009 17:09:23 +0000 http://www.malcolmcoles.co.uk/blog/?p=136#comment-1013 [quote]But who do you mean by ‘you’ in your reply?[/quote] Sorry for not been clear. In my comments, 'you' meant the host (blog or site). [quote]Imagine I had Intense Debate set up here, as the owner of this wordpress blog.[/quote] That's correct, but as I've pointed out in my comment: this is the only way it will work: if the host can use the IntenseDebate plugin. For all others, meaning those that are integrating IntenseDebate through the JS widget, this will not work. [quote]Isn’t this all a good thing? Any other solution - EG the first version of IntenseDebate - left some people (including google and those with JS off) unable to view comments.[/quote] It is a good thing, for host using the IntenseDebate plugin. If my blog/site doesn't support the IntenseDebate plugin, you'll be integrating IntenseDebate by using the JS-based widget and for this case SEO will be 0. The alternative is what Disqus and JS-Kit offer: if browser JS is disabled, instead of the comment thread you can provide a link to a page hosted on Disqus/JS-Kit side that displays all the thread. When the search engine hits your page it will follow this link and index the comment thread (that page is pure HTML). The only part missing (but it can still be accomplished) is to associate the Disqus/JS-Kit hosted page with your domain. cheers, ./alex This is a 5-deep comment, the limit I have set. So if yu reply, you may need to start a new comment thread rather than reply to this one … [quote]But who do you mean by ‘you’ in your reply?[/quote]

Sorry for not been clear. In my comments, 'you' meant the host (blog or site).

[quote]Imagine I had Intense Debate set up here, as the owner of this wordpress blog.[/quote]

That's correct, but as I've pointed out in my comment: this is the only way it will work: if the host can use the IntenseDebate plugin. For all others, meaning those that are integrating IntenseDebate through the JS widget, this will not work.

[quote]Isn’t this all a good thing? Any other solution - EG the first version of IntenseDebate - left some people (including google and those with JS off) unable to view comments.[/quote]

It is a good thing, for host using the IntenseDebate plugin. If my blog/site doesn't support the IntenseDebate plugin, you'll be integrating IntenseDebate by using the JS-based widget and for this case SEO will be 0.

The alternative is what Disqus and JS-Kit offer: if browser JS is disabled, instead of the comment thread you can provide a link to a page hosted on Disqus/JS-Kit side that displays all the thread. When the search engine hits your page it will follow this link and index the comment thread (that page is pure HTML). The only part missing (but it can still be accomplished) is to associate the Disqus/JS-Kit hosted page with your domain.

cheers,

./alex

This is a 5-deep comment, the limit I have set. So if yu reply, you may need to start a new comment thread rather than reply to this one …

]]> By: Alex Popescu http://www.malcolmcoles.co.uk/blog/seo-intensedebate-sezwho-and-disqus/#comment-1012 Alex Popescu Sun, 11 Jan 2009 16:56:26 +0000 http://www.malcolmcoles.co.uk/blog/?p=136#comment-1012 I have posted a comparison of Disqus vs IntenseDebate vs JS-Kit vs SezWho, but not only in terms of SEO: http://themindstorms.wordpress.com/2009/01/11/commenting-services-face-to-face-disqus-vs-intensedebate-vs-js-kit-vs-sezwho/ ./alex I have posted a comparison of Disqus vs IntenseDebate vs JS-Kit vs SezWho, but not only in terms of SEO: http://themindstorms.wordpress.com/2009/01/11/commenting-services-face-to-face-disqus-vs-intensedebate-vs-js-kit-vs-sezwho/

./alex

]]> By: Malcolm Coles http://www.malcolmcoles.co.uk/blog/seo-intensedebate-sezwho-and-disqus/#comment-1011 Malcolm Coles Sun, 11 Jan 2009 16:52:52 +0000 http://www.malcolmcoles.co.uk/blog/?p=136#comment-1011 Hey Alex. I agree there's some unnecessary work going on! But who do you mean by 'you' in your reply? Imagine I had Intense Debate set up here, as the owner of this wordpress blog. If a reader had javascript on, (s)he would be able to see all the comments using the IntenseDebate functionality. The reader doesn't need the plugin - the comments are all fetched by the javascript. There will have been some unnecessary generation of the [noscript] section. If the reader had javascript off, (EG Anna, one of the commenters here), they would be able to see all the comments using the standard wordpress functionality. Isn't this all a good thing? Any other solution - EG the first version of IntenseDebate - left some people (including google and those with JS off) unable to view comments. This is a 5-deep comment, the limit I have set. So if yu reply, you may need to start a new comment thread rather than reply to this one ... Hey Alex. I agree there's some unnecessary work going on! But who do you mean by 'you' in your reply?

Imagine I had Intense Debate set up here, as the owner of this wordpress blog. If a reader had javascript on, (s)he would be able to see all the comments using the IntenseDebate functionality. The reader doesn't need the plugin - the comments are all fetched by the javascript. There will have been some unnecessary generation of the [noscript] section.

If the reader had javascript off, (EG Anna, one of the commenters here), they would be able to see all the comments using the standard wordpress functionality.

Isn't this all a good thing? Any other solution - EG the first version of IntenseDebate - left some people (including google and those with JS off) unable to view comments.

This is a 5-deep comment, the limit I have set. So if yu reply, you may need to start a new comment thread rather than reply to this one ...

]]> By: Alex Popescu http://www.malcolmcoles.co.uk/blog/seo-intensedebate-sezwho-and-disqus/#comment-1010 Alex Popescu Sun, 11 Jan 2009 16:03:48 +0000 http://www.malcolmcoles.co.uk/blog/?p=136#comment-1010 Malcolm, unfortunately I have to disagree with you and here is why: The noscript part is generated server side. This means that: 1. if you are not using the IntenseDebate server side plugin, there is no way you can fetch that content 2. if Javascript is working on the target browser, it basically means that you have performed more work than needed on server side and that you have consumed more bandwith and increased the page size For JS based solutions, the only option is the one offered by Disqus and JS-Kit: provide a link to a hosted page that contains the comment thread. IntenseDebate solution is useful for those using the plugin provided by IntenseDebate on the server side, but will be of no use for others. cheers, ./alex Malcolm, unfortunately I have to disagree with you and here is why:

The noscript part is generated server side. This means that:
1. if you are not using the IntenseDebate server side plugin, there is no way you can fetch that content
2. if Javascript is working on the target browser, it basically means that you have performed more work than needed on server side and that you have consumed more bandwith and increased the page size

For JS based solutions, the only option is the one offered by Disqus and JS-Kit: provide a link to a hosted page that contains the comment thread.
IntenseDebate solution is useful for those using the plugin provided by IntenseDebate on the server side, but will be of no use for others.

cheers,

./alex

]]> By: Malcolm Coles http://www.malcolmcoles.co.uk/blog/seo-intensedebate-sezwho-and-disqus/#comment-1009 Malcolm Coles Sun, 11 Jan 2009 13:58:50 +0000 http://www.malcolmcoles.co.uk/blog/?p=136#comment-1009 I think that's the idea - when javascript is off you can still see the posts. (Although see my reply lower down (higher up if javascript off...) about the post numbers not matching, which is why I haven't updated the 0/10 score on this page yet). When javascript is on, you get the benefits of Intense Debate. Of course, one of the key benefits of Intense Debate - threaded comments - is now available in wordpress 2.7 (and you can see it working on this page with javascript on). Maybe that's why Auttomatic, the company behind Wordpress, has bought IntenseDebate. You can see IntenseDebate's explanation of this <a href="http://www.intensedebate.com/faq#li632">here</a>. It's shame that the IntenseDebate homepage doesn't work properly when javascript is off - nothing happens when you click 'Click to show more features'! And the example box is empty ... I think that's the idea - when javascript is off you can still see the posts. (Although see my reply lower down (higher up if javascript off...) about the post numbers not matching, which is why I haven't updated the 0/10 score on this page yet).

When javascript is on, you get the benefits of Intense Debate. Of course, one of the key benefits of Intense Debate - threaded comments - is now available in wordpress 2.7 (and you can see it working on this page with javascript on). Maybe that's why Auttomatic, the company behind WordPress, has bought IntenseDebate.

You can see IntenseDebate's explanation of this here.

It's shame that the IntenseDebate homepage doesn't work properly when javascript is off - nothing happens when you click 'Click to show more features'! And the example box is empty ...

]]> By: Alex Popescu http://www.malcolmcoles.co.uk/blog/seo-intensedebate-sezwho-and-disqus/#comment-1005 Alex Popescu Sun, 11 Jan 2009 01:16:58 +0000 http://www.malcolmcoles.co.uk/blog/?p=136#comment-1005 Jon, I have checked your blog and indeed it does work when JS is disabled. But this is just because you've pre-generated the page to include that content, so for somebody not using the wp plugin the solution will not work. To make it work, you'd need to fetch that content on the server side and include it on the page, which would mean that you actually don't need the javascript anymore. cheers, ./alex Jon, I have checked your blog and indeed it does work when JS is disabled. But this is just because you've pre-generated the page to include that content, so for somebody not using the wp plugin the solution will not work. To make it work, you'd need to fetch that content on the server side and include it on the page, which would mean that you actually don't need the javascript anymore.

cheers,

./alex

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