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		<title>Flat-rate VAT scheme form: filling in the online return</title>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>This is a step-by-step guide to filling out the online flat-rate VAT form. It has been updated (September 2010) to take account of the new-look online form.<br />
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<p>The flat rate VAT scheme is brilliant. Multiply your VATable income by the flat-rate amount. And that's it. You may even turn a small profit ...</p>
<p>The instructions on filling out your online VAT return, however, are laughable, although they have got a bit better following the recent redesign. Oh my god, they've redesigned it AGAIN and removed the flat rate vat instructions!! Here's the new form:</p>
<p><div id="attachment_4969" class="wp-caption alignright" style="width: 500px"><img class="size-large wp-image-4969" title="flat-rate-vat-online-form" src="http://www.malcolmcoles.co.uk/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/flat-rate-vat-online-form-490x640.png" alt="Flat rate vat online return" width="490" height="640" /><p class="wp-caption-text">Flat rate vat online return</p></div></p>
<h3>How to fill out your online VAT return if you're in the flat-rate scheme</h3>
<p>Here's what you need to do written in a less complicated way than HMRC manage it.</p>
<p>For most people, you still only enter two numbers:</p>
<ul>
<li><strong>In box 1</strong>, you enter the amount of VAT you owe. So that's your income, including VAT, mutiplied by your FRVS rate. So if you had income of £12,000 INCLUDING VAT, and your FRVS rate was 10%, you would enter £1,200 here.</li>
<li><strong>In box 6</strong>, you enter your income INCLUDING VAT. So that's £12,000 in this example. I know it says excluding VAT but this is WRONG. So enter the amount INCLUDING VAT. I'm not kidding - the form is wrong - it's aimed at normal VAT people. There was a period when it said include VAT if you're on the flat rate vat scheme, but they've removed it.</li>
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<p>In the other boxes, I enter a zero.</p>
<p>If your affairs are a bit more complicated, you may have to fill out the other boxes. This is explained <a href="http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/vat/managing/returns-accounts/fat-rate-returns.htm">here</a>. But, essentially:</p>
<ul>
<li>You fill out <strong>box 2</strong> only if you bought goods or services from other EU countries.</li>
<li><strong>Box 3</strong> is calculated for you.</li>
<li><strong>Box 4</strong> is usually 0 as you can't reclaim VAT you've paid under the FRVS. There are exceptions for capital expenditure over £2,000, VAT you've paid at initial registration, and reverse-charge purchases from abroad. For most people, none of this applies.</li>
<li><strong>Box 5</strong> is calculated for you.</li>
<li><strong>Box 7</strong> is usually 0, unless you've bought goods from another EU country or made a £2,000+ capital purchase.</li>
<li><strong>Box 8</strong> and <strong>box 9</strong> are applicable only if you've traded with other EU countries.</li>
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<p>That's it, though. For most people, fill out box 1 and 6, and remember to enter your income INCLUDING VAT.</p>
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