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		<title>By: minifig</title>
		<link>http://www.malcolmcoles.co.uk/blog/why-twitters-new-retweet-is-rubbish/#comment-6109</link>
		<dc:creator>minifig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 09:05:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I get that part of your post, I guess it&#039;s just something that doesn&#039;t strike fear into my heart. I get why it *might* mitigate against a new Trafigura, but a lot of the traffic on that day was made up of things other than retweets, as is the case in most of the pitchfork-bearing-angry-twitter-mob situations we&#039;ve had so far.

A solution would be for the retweet to reappear in your timeline each time someone retweets it, as it does now, but each time with an update on the number of people doing it. I presume that Twitter tried this, though, and I guess they decided not to go for it because although it might confusing to have a tweet from someone you don&#039;t follow in your timeline, it&#039;ll be even more confusing if that tweet just won&#039;t go away, and keeps reappearing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I get that part of your post, I guess it's just something that doesn't strike fear into my heart. I get why it *might* mitigate against a new Trafigura, but a lot of the traffic on that day was made up of things other than retweets, as is the case in most of the pitchfork-bearing-angry-twitter-mob situations we've had so far.</p>
<p>A solution would be for the retweet to reappear in your timeline each time someone retweets it, as it does now, but each time with an update on the number of people doing it. I presume that Twitter tried this, though, and I guess they decided not to go for it because although it might confusing to have a tweet from someone you don't follow in your timeline, it'll be even more confusing if that tweet just won't go away, and keeps reappearing.</p>
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		<title>By: Malcolm Coles</title>
		<link>http://www.malcolmcoles.co.uk/blog/why-twitters-new-retweet-is-rubbish/#comment-6108</link>
		<dc:creator>Malcolm Coles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 08:56:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Minifig - those are pluses, I agree. And as you say, people who want to comment can still do so. The annoying thing is that they could have made it easier to comment but didn&#039;t (when I copy and paste via web interface, I have to strip out several spaces and returns, so the whole thing is a bit of a pain).

If this was all they&#039;d got wrong (and assuming issues like people with clients not seeing new RTs, and RTs from people you&#039;ve blocked being visible etc etc are all short term (ahem - I think they&#039;re approaching medium term now ...)) there probably wouldn&#039;t be much of a problem.

However, I think this issue that you&#039;re prevented from seeing other RTs IS a big problem. I may not have explained it all that well.

Let&#039;s imagine somebody does something illiberal. Stephen Fry tweets &quot;X has done Y. Get your pitchfork and flaming brand&quot;. I don&#039;t follow Stephen, but someone I follow - let&#039;s call them Z - new-RTs it almost immediately and I see it.

Is this going to turn into the new Trafigura / Jan Moir? And if it did, how would I know? I leave my computer, and 5 minutes later the Z&#039;s RT of Stephen Fry&#039;s tweet has vanished down my timeline and out of sight.

Now, imagine X doing Y is so awful that 200 people I follow new-RT Stephen Fry&#039;s original tweet.

I don&#039;t see any of those RTs. In some ways this is good - what a mess my timeline would be ... On the other hand, I have no way of knowing that this is going on. If I looked back at Z&#039;s RT of Stephen Fry (EG I scrolled back and back through time, or I opened the tweet via its permalink) it would now say &#039;retweeted by Z and 200 others&#039;.

But under the current new-RT system, that&#039;s the only way I&#039;ve got of knowing that 200 people I follow have new RTed something.

Even worse, I could have missed properly seeing / taking in Z&#039;s retweet (maybe when I loaded the webpage it was at the bottom and I got distracted by something at the top and so didn&#039;t read the last few tweets on the page), in which case I&#039;d never know.

Or I might think Z is a bit of an idiot, and so not give credence to his RTs. Q on the other hand, I do respect - but I can&#039;t see the fact that he has new-RTed Stephen Fry because Twitter has hidden this from me.

Right, is that any clearer to anyone?!?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Minifig - those are pluses, I agree. And as you say, people who want to comment can still do so. The annoying thing is that they could have made it easier to comment but didn't (when I copy and paste via web interface, I have to strip out several spaces and returns, so the whole thing is a bit of a pain).</p>
<p>If this was all they'd got wrong (and assuming issues like people with clients not seeing new RTs, and RTs from people you've blocked being visible etc etc are all short term (ahem - I think they're approaching medium term now ...)) there probably wouldn't be much of a problem.</p>
<p>However, I think this issue that you're prevented from seeing other RTs IS a big problem. I may not have explained it all that well.</p>
<p>Let's imagine somebody does something illiberal. Stephen Fry tweets "X has done Y. Get your pitchfork and flaming brand". I don't follow Stephen, but someone I follow - let's call them Z - new-RTs it almost immediately and I see it.</p>
<p>Is this going to turn into the new Trafigura / Jan Moir? And if it did, how would I know? I leave my computer, and 5 minutes later the Z's RT of Stephen Fry's tweet has vanished down my timeline and out of sight.</p>
<p>Now, imagine X doing Y is so awful that 200 people I follow new-RT Stephen Fry's original tweet.</p>
<p>I don't see any of those RTs. In some ways this is good - what a mess my timeline would be ... On the other hand, I have no way of knowing that this is going on. If I looked back at Z's RT of Stephen Fry (EG I scrolled back and back through time, or I opened the tweet via its permalink) it would now say 'retweeted by Z and 200 others'.</p>
<p>But under the current new-RT system, that's the only way I've got of knowing that 200 people I follow have new RTed something.</p>
<p>Even worse, I could have missed properly seeing / taking in Z's retweet (maybe when I loaded the webpage it was at the bottom and I got distracted by something at the top and so didn't read the last few tweets on the page), in which case I'd never know.</p>
<p>Or I might think Z is a bit of an idiot, and so not give credence to his RTs. Q on the other hand, I do respect - but I can't see the fact that he has new-RTed Stephen Fry because Twitter has hidden this from me.</p>
<p>Right, is that any clearer to anyone?!?</p>
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		<title>By: minifig</title>
		<link>http://www.malcolmcoles.co.uk/blog/why-twitters-new-retweet-is-rubbish/#comment-6107</link>
		<dc:creator>minifig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 08:32:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I appear to be a member of an ever-shrinking group that rather likes the new retweeting function. I like the fact that tweets can be shared around the place containing their original context. I take the point about not being able to comment, but previously it could be extremely difficult to tell what was quoted tweet, and what was new comment. I like that with the new retweets I know that it&#039;s come to me unchanged.

Therefore, if you do want to add something yourself, or change the wording, or whatever, why not use the other (via @someoneorother) style of retweeting (what Tweetie calls &#039;quote tweet&#039;). It means that both forms are useful and things are a little clearer. Of course it only works if everyone starts doing it...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I appear to be a member of an ever-shrinking group that rather likes the new retweeting function. I like the fact that tweets can be shared around the place containing their original context. I take the point about not being able to comment, but previously it could be extremely difficult to tell what was quoted tweet, and what was new comment. I like that with the new retweets I know that it's come to me unchanged.</p>
<p>Therefore, if you do want to add something yourself, or change the wording, or whatever, why not use the other (via @someoneorother) style of retweeting (what Tweetie calls 'quote tweet'). It means that both forms are useful and things are a little clearer. Of course it only works if everyone starts doing it...</p>
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		<title>By: Malcolm Coles</title>
		<link>http://www.malcolmcoles.co.uk/blog/why-twitters-new-retweet-is-rubbish/#comment-6095</link>
		<dc:creator>Malcolm Coles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 12:50:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ciaran - sure. Of course, those using clients can&#039;t see the RTs as I &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.malcolmcoles.co.uk/blog/twitters-new-retweet#1&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;pointed out&lt;/a&gt; at the beginning of the retweet beta. This makes the problem go away I guess ...
Of course, it also makes the trial a bit stupid as who would use the new RT once they realise half their followers, on your figures, can&#039;t see what they&#039;ve RTed?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ciaran - sure. Of course, those using clients can't see the RTs as I <a href="http://www.malcolmcoles.co.uk/blog/twitters-new-retweet#1" rel="nofollow">pointed out</a> at the beginning of the retweet beta. This makes the problem go away I guess ...<br />
Of course, it also makes the trial a bit stupid as who would use the new RT once they realise half their followers, on your figures, can't see what they've RTed?</p>
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		<title>By: Ciarán</title>
		<link>http://www.malcolmcoles.co.uk/blog/why-twitters-new-retweet-is-rubbish/#comment-6094</link>
		<dc:creator>Ciarán</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 12:41:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with all of your points (some of which hadn&#039;t even occurred to me). The one thing I would say is that our research suggested that less than 50% of people are using the web interface anymore, so if that continues, you&#039;d hope it won&#039;t have the impact you discuss.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with all of your points (some of which hadn't even occurred to me). The one thing I would say is that our research suggested that less than 50% of people are using the web interface anymore, so if that continues, you'd hope it won't have the impact you discuss.</p>
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		<title>By: Malcolm Coles</title>
		<link>http://www.malcolmcoles.co.uk/blog/why-twitters-new-retweet-is-rubbish/#comment-6093</link>
		<dc:creator>Malcolm Coles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 12:24:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, most people seem to prefer commenting (who I follow anyway!).

I see quite a few tweets from people saying &#039;well just don&#039;t use it if you don&#039;t like it&#039;.

But I think they&#039;re missing the point that if person A new-RTs something, then I won&#039;t see that person B, C, D ... and ZZ has new-RTed it later.

So it&#039;s not just a matter of me not using it. It&#039;s the fact that other people influence which (re)tweets by third parties that you see.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, most people seem to prefer commenting (who I follow anyway!).</p>
<p>I see quite a few tweets from people saying 'well just don't use it if you don't like it'.</p>
<p>But I think they're missing the point that if person A new-RTs something, then I won't see that person B, C, D ... and ZZ has new-RTed it later.</p>
<p>So it's not just a matter of me not using it. It's the fact that other people influence which (re)tweets by third parties that you see.</p>
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		<title>By: Robin Brown</title>
		<link>http://www.malcolmcoles.co.uk/blog/why-twitters-new-retweet-is-rubbish/#comment-6092</link>
		<dc:creator>Robin Brown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 12:20:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh man, this gravatar situation is getting ridiculous.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh man, this gravatar situation is getting ridiculous.</p>
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		<title>By: Robin Brown</title>
		<link>http://www.malcolmcoles.co.uk/blog/why-twitters-new-retweet-is-rubbish/#comment-6091</link>
		<dc:creator>Robin Brown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 12:19:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ha! Poor Matt, and it was all my fault! This is, I think, the only time I&#039;ve used the awful new RT function - I prefer to do it manually and add my own comment if retweeting - and this shows why it&#039;s so hopeless.

I noticed Emma Forbes in my stream the other day, I don&#039;t follow Emma Forbes. It took me a couple of minutes to work out exactly why; a tweet devoid of context and explanation is pretty hopeless and I suspect this new function with lead to a lot of pointless, de-contextualised RTing - and where&#039;s the value in that?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ha! Poor Matt, and it was all my fault! This is, I think, the only time I've used the awful new RT function - I prefer to do it manually and add my own comment if retweeting - and this shows why it's so hopeless.</p>
<p>I noticed Emma Forbes in my stream the other day, I don't follow Emma Forbes. It took me a couple of minutes to work out exactly why; a tweet devoid of context and explanation is pretty hopeless and I suspect this new function with lead to a lot of pointless, de-contextualised RTing - and where's the value in that?</p>
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		<title>By: Malcolm Coles</title>
		<link>http://www.malcolmcoles.co.uk/blog/why-twitters-new-retweet-is-rubbish/#comment-6090</link>
		<dc:creator>Malcolm Coles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 12:19:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David - Ah. Still odd that it&#039;s empty for me? Maybe no one using it at all?!?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David - Ah. Still odd that it's empty for me? Maybe no one using it at all?!?</p>
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		<title>By: David Anderson</title>
		<link>http://www.malcolmcoles.co.uk/blog/why-twitters-new-retweet-is-rubbish/#comment-6089</link>
		<dc:creator>David Anderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 12:15:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The retweets by others section is where it shows retweets by people you follow of tweets by anyone other than you.

I think the whole feature is another badly thought out change in functionality that will diminish the usefulness of the Twitter system in much the same way as the change in showing @replies did, possibly even more.

I very rarely even look at the web interface, so anyone using that to retweet will go completely unnoticed by me, and probably many others. I wonder how long it will take them to feel like their retweets are being ignored?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The retweets by others section is where it shows retweets by people you follow of tweets by anyone other than you.</p>
<p>I think the whole feature is another badly thought out change in functionality that will diminish the usefulness of the Twitter system in much the same way as the change in showing @replies did, possibly even more.</p>
<p>I very rarely even look at the web interface, so anyone using that to retweet will go completely unnoticed by me, and probably many others. I wonder how long it will take them to feel like their retweets are being ignored?</p>
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